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Posted on January 30, 2008 - by webmaster

ASP Classic Programming Still Alive

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ASP programming Language

Today i found several articles which are talk about asp programming (ASP 3.0) and state that classic asp was dead, i personaly do not agree, please dissagree, if the reason were the development process, yes asp was no longer developed by microsoft since they released .NET, but there are many reason why i said classic asp is still alive

  • there are milions website which are using asp scripting language as the core of their application and would not migrate it (i believe that).
  • Many web developers still playing with classic asp programming
  • Many new website build by classic asp programming (still)
  • tutorials? help? there are many of them on the web

Classic asp programming no longer popular, yes thats true, i myself believe that some of the reason are:

  • No longer developed by Microsoft
  • Many educational institution were no longer have classic asp in their subjects, because they should running parallel with technology or they will loose their students, this is the impact of the first reason
  • Just few of beginners choose classic asp as their choosen language, because they never heard classic asp or they do not have classic asp in their subjects in their college

Classic asp programming is not dead, it is more like forgotten artist where media no longer publish articles about it, but it has it’s own community, it’s own fans, and its power still relevan to be used to build powerfull web base application nowdays, it is able to collaborate it with the latest web technology, one of the weakness of classic asp is in few cases it needs 3rd party component to support it.

Classic ASP programming is the beautifull language in simplicity why? it is traditional and only has basic functionality, whenever you need a custom function/method you need to build it yourself. This make it different, this is usefull to exercise your programming logic. For example if you need to clear the HTML tags in PHP you simply apply the striptags method but in classic asp you need to build your own code with your own programming logic.

Below are some usefull links of Classic ASP Programming.

Classic ASP Framework, AJAX Framework, OOP, Template Engine

  • Classic ASP Frameworks CLASP 2.0 or Classic ASP Framework @ codeproject
  • Ajax on Classic ASP Ajaxed @ webdevbros.net
  • Template Engine for Classic ASP ASP Template @ webdevbros.net
  • OOP (Object Oriented Programming) on Classic ASP (VBS) Classic ASP OOP @ stardeveloper.com or OOP Tutorial @ asp101.com

URL Rewrite in Classic ASP?, you can use 3rd party component or techniques below:

  • Ionic Isapi Rewrite Component
  • Mod ASP Rewrite
  • URL Rewriting in Classic ASP

Classic ASP Tutorials, Helps, Tips and Tricks

  • MSDN Library about Classic ASP
  • ASP Programming Cheat Sheets @ ilovejackdaniels.com
  • ASP tutorials @ w3schools
  • Tutorials and Samples of Implementations
  • Classic ASP Security Image Generator (CAPTCHA)

If there were no hosting providers that support classic asp scripting, i prefer to jump out to PHP or Ruby on Rails rather than .NET why? read this 8 Reasons to Stick with ASP 3.0 in 2006 (and 2007). Since Bill Gates and his team were very confident with the release of .NET what if they give us a gift by putting classic ASP as an opensource, well it will be a history and i believe will raise back the “beauty language” to be a real artist no more forgotten artist.

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  1. Visit My Website

    January 31, 2008

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    Manikiran said:

    classic asp was dead, i personally don’t agree.



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    February 7, 2008

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    Clandestino said:

    Classic ASP is still alive and kicking. There are effectively millions websites out there that still use that technology, and frankly .NET hasn’t convinced the IT world as much as Microsoft would like to. You can still create tremendous things using that so-called “dead corpse”, and very fast.



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    February 7, 2008

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    Bali Web Designer said:

    Yes there are milions out there and i bet they wont be migrated to other technology. ASP classic is so simple but can addopt the latest web technology to running with



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    February 16, 2008

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    daustralala said:

    I’m visiting…:)



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    February 17, 2008

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    Bali Web Designer said:

    halah :) makasi dah mampir om



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    March 6, 2008

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    John Pharoh said:

    Its simply why i use An Airoplace complicated and lot of power and FUEL for getting to work every day !!!!!
    These are some reasons:

    1- .Net environment is Time Consuming according to Dreamweaver in open , close applications, debug and test !!

    2- .Net environment is antidesign as u know Microsoft compared to the Mighty Adobe, html on dreamweaver is fantastic using shortcuts very fast and reliable to use any html formats, coloring and design tools.
    (Dreamweaver even the links is drag & drop – even anchors is linkable in design view)

    3- i use templates put Javascript anywhere, i use AJAX use it anywhere, why the need to make classes and dlls and upload after debug for some tiny change in a small page !!!

    4- Microsoft now relase a replace for Adope Flash and put obstacles in front of installing Flash Player !! is it a war !!
    years ago Bill Gates wouldnot approve that, Life is Coordination between all companies, all should sell !! arnot Mozilla FireFox an Yahoo is better than IE and Msn !!



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    March 6, 2008

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    Bali Web Designer said:

    @John,

    1. VS is the best IDE (if it is not the only) for .NET since dreamweaver not yet able to implemented code behind, i believe micro$oft wants to dominate in this case, since they were failed to do so with frontpage

    2. I myself believe that dreamweaver still the best WYSIWYG editor for web development, but for coding view i vote for Homesite Nor Notepad++ especially when working with long nested codes.

    3. this is one of the most things that i consider to move to .NET, i dont want to re-compile my application for just a small change i made, and for me automatic javascript generated is killing the programming logic of the programmers themselves, it is much better to have full control to every line of our codes and not dependent to click drag or import component

    4. I love flash, but thats good to have silverlight, we have more choices, FF better than IE? Yahoo! better than MSN? thats personal choices, i vote for Google and FF but Opera is fastest among them



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    March 28, 2008

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    shmai said:

    Well, I have 5 years Experience in Classic, till today i always in rush of new project in classic asp. This is still alive.



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    April 1, 2008

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    John Pharoh said:

    sun released ASP 4.0 versions, with more xml supporting and capabilities.
    Microsoft dropped down alot of programmers, thanks to SUN.
    world move to PHP now and PHP 4.0 new releases !!
    Microsoft better look back to ASP which was someday better than PHP.
    anyway i wont count on Vista producers which mark a big failure in PC market.



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    April 3, 2008

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    GH said:

    i have worked in both classic and .net.
    to be honest i still prefer asp classic.
    there is some snobbery from some developers about .net but at the end of the day it is far from the be all and end all.
    for most web applications classic still provides a more than adequate framework for web apps development.
    it shipped with vista and is still very widely used.
    plus its a lot more fun developing websites in the classic model.
    supporting technologies like xml, sql, ajax, css etc are more important than the choice of web development platform.
    (php, .net, cf , asp etc)
    the end user doesnt really care what its done in as long as it works.



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    April 3, 2008

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    freelance web designer said:

    @John
    I have no experiences running ASP in chilisoft but worth to try the new ASP 4 version, does it adopt all syntaxes of microsoft ASP 3 version? or it is slightly different?

    @GH
    ASP is flexible can adopt the latest web technology to run with it. It has basic functionality and method which you can use and develop with your own programming logic to produce the functionality that meet your requirements, and most important is you have full control every line of your codes.



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    May 2, 2008

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    Kelticweb said:

    We do the majority of our work in Classic Asp. It is a language you and learn and get productive with, .Net on the otherhand keeps changing and is too complex.

    Most people will only be sufficient at .Net after a long gruel of study and will then find the .Net has been shelved for some other money-making IDE system.

    I mean, look at vista. Total widows look and feel change for no valid reason!! Whats wrong with keeping the operating systems Looking the same!!! If you need to make it more advanced they could do that in the background!

    To me it’s all about the sales!! Make something new…sell it. Make a new operating system and kill off the old one…

    I also think that these security updates are the tools that companies like MS will use when all else fails. i.e. If we dont buy a new product or O/S they will send their stealth virus to make our systems unstable…lol Like VIKI in I, AM ROBOT.



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    May 7, 2008

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    John Pharoh said:

    @Kelticweb you totally right, MS at begin of time was awsome company and plans (days of C++ and ASP), but latter its all about Financial plans like certificates (that changes its core everyday !!!) partnership (for not stable services like vista windows !!)
    After all .NET web development need a team work more than 2 and lot of resources and too much time, very weak design evironment, not flexible code at all.
    They changed at first to be Portable language now ASP is portable !! .NET is for no reason in web programming it is just very good tool in Windows applications.



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    May 19, 2008

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    Rajesh Vishwakarma said:

    Yeh it true ASp is still alive.



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    May 20, 2008

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    Billbo said:

    @ John
    I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to needing a team to develop robust asp.net applications. I am a one man programming shop and come from the classic asp days and I have no problem cranking out asp.net sites for clients. I honestly find asp.net cuts alot of time out of development which speeds up the delivery process. I also find that developing classes in my web app makes the code extremely flexible. Its much easier than using a slew of include files in-line with classic asp..

    Also your comment about .NET only being good for windows programming also is about as foolish as your first statement. .NET is good for developing pretty much anything that you need to develop(Command line apps, windows apps, web apps, mobile apps). Within the next version or 2 of VS, you will be able to develop an app using a common interface and it will work the same in windows as it does on the web and vice-versa. You can develop a XAML only app in WPF and it will work in IE already with VS 2008.
    I am not a blue-blood by any stretch of the imagination, but please do your homework on the technology you are bashing.



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    May 20, 2008

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    John Pharoh said:

    People don’t believe that .NET is out of simple web rules, which mean custom generic concept !!
    .NET is loser in web development but winner in windows applications and huge Network applications.
    let me tell you latest failure notices:
    1- try use multiple Ajax controls in one page in .NET !!! too much loading time or bugs and hang down !!!
    2- Try to use same AJAX Control in same Page multiple times !!!
    ofcourse we now can predict what happened then :(
    3- Try to put Ajax control of Form and inside it place another Ajax control of photos slide show !!! is that a problem too much time too much resources and even though too much Load Time !!!

    Its very simple i can use 50s AJAX codes combined with Javascript without any problems or load time or develop time, common guys !!! why big schoolers and writers switch to .net !!!



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    May 20, 2008

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    Billbo said:

    LOL on AJAX bashing..Learn to preload your content/data and put visuals for loading content so your users see that something is happening if the content is extremely large which is going to be slow no matter what web technology you use if you dont cache or preload the data anyhow.

    As far as resources are concerned, AJAX generates the HTML locally within the browser and only brings down the Javascript calls and the data itself. You will actually see better server performance using AJAX as the client is responsible for most of the rendering of the HTML. I dunno about you but I would rather my clients machine bear the brunt of that rendering as opposed to my webserver.



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    Limited Edition iPhone said:

    How do you do Ajax comments?



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    June 3, 2008

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    Jaime Weise said:

    Not to bash you or anything, but there is no comparison between classic asp and asp.net. .NET offers way more expressiveness code reuse and readability than can ever achieved in classic



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    June 4, 2008

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    freelance web designer said:

    i compared asp to .NET and PHP to show the beauty of classic asp, and to let other know the reason why i stick in classic asp while .NET is rising.

    for me .NET is bloated, i prefer to use classic asp, or php rather than .NET, about re-use and readability i think thats not about the programming language itself, but how do you write the code.

    classic asp also has support OOP, the differences is theres no once click action in classic asp, thats it which makes it better :)



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    John Pharoh said:

    i think i give an example above how AJAX on .NET still canot achieve real javascript beneficial, Javascript doesnot need DLL guys,
    and i dont have time to search where microsoft allow me to put the Javascript !!!
    and i dont have .NET environment every place i go !!
    DLL way in .NET is soo slowing expecially if i used more than AJAX control in one page !!!
    asp 4 just like PHP and JSP fast and reliable and portable ;)



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    Amit tiwari said:

    @Kelticweb you totally right, MS at begin of time was awsome company and plans (days of C++ and ASP), but latter its all about Financial plans like certificates (that changes its core everyday !!!) partnership (for not stable services like vista windows !!)
    After all .NET web development need a team work more than 2 and lot of resources and too much time, very weak design evironment, not flexible code at all.
    They changed at first to be Portable language now ASP is portable !! .NET is for no reason in web programming it is just very good tool in Windows applications.



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    July 8, 2008

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    design nottingham said:

    ASP is alive and will be around for a long time still to come. For a new programmer though, they will be increasingly looking towards PHP or .NET (or even emerging languages such as Ruby). ASP is still great for small to medium sized projects though when deadlines are tight and you need an app fast.

    However as a web developer, with 5 years of ASP I am making the switch to PHP because PHP is better overall and will be around for the foreseeable future.



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    July 14, 2008

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    Sesetty Ravi Kumar said:

    I agree and the one among the users of classic asp. Happy to hear Long Live Classic ASP. I could’nt give up as I started my career with this



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    July 28, 2008

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    Jay1980 said:

    ASP is a slow, resource hungry, “bedroom programmer” language. Only truely scalable applications can be coded in .Net and in half the time it would talk to implement in ASP.

    ASP websites are inherently messy and difficult to maintain, whereas a .Net website is clean, fully object orientated and supports master page templates and easily re-usable user controls. Only ignorance keeps ASP out there…. anyone making a new site in ASP these days should know better!

    ASP is DEAD R.I.P



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    chazzuka said:

    @Jay
    I have coded both in classic ASP and .NET, and i havent found that .NET is much faster, other than bulky for standard CMS development.

    More scalable? i agree but you will only see the benefit of using .NET when working on a big projects where multi programmers working on it otherwise it is “again” too bulky.

    For me masterpage or template engine is not a must as long as you can keep the structure in MVC concept then it would not be a problem.

    Messy & difficult to maintain? hahah, then you must be only recognized garbage coding structure (old school embed), keep it in OOP format, and again keep in MVC concept, then the problem solved.

    Re-usable? i have my own library which i always use for my classic ASP projects, it is not just 1 click action like in .NET where you hard to control the rendered codes , but customizable function and procs where it keeps in OOP structure.

    anyone who still making new database driven website in classic asp while .NET was there for years now, because they are know what they need, when you only need an “a” why you should include “a-z”?



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    Kelticweb said:

    I personally love classic asp. I think we only need some better data access and connection pooling to improve. I believe the Asp 4.0 from Sun has connection pooling which would be great for my apps.

    I still love classic asp and I only asp.net when I have to, as it is overly complex with very little gain.

    At least classic asp works the same everytime whereas asp.net could change at the whim of a bunch of ‘god-complexed’ development teams.

    Okay it may be needed for web farms and multi-server scaleability but not everyone needs that.

    If it aint broke, don’t fix it… (a good motto)
    MS Motto … (if you can’t make anymore money from it, then break it!)

    GP



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    September 3, 2008

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    meds said:

    i dont agree. i’m still using classic asp to build my web. from the beginning i learn asp, till now i only using asp.



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    September 3, 2008

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    demonita said:

    glad to hear a lot of ppl still ride with it, well i havent use chilisoft and i am curious how it is.

    if its provide tons of improvements then it would be good to have it.



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    September 4, 2008

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    Andrew said:

    I can put up a Calssic ASP website on Access or SQL Server within a single day with dynamic content, menus, links, contact form, AdBanners.

    My KudzuASP template engine (http://kudzu.trilogicllc.com/) allows me to fully template a site within one to two hours and even change the look and the feel of the site at runtime.

    Classic ASP is not dead, it is still very useful and even faster for smaller projects.



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    September 17, 2008

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    Philip said:

    Classic ASP i NOT dead , in organization where i `m working a lot of products are on It .



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    October 7, 2008

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    zius075 said:

    Can i use AJAX with classic ASP…………..?



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    November 22, 2008

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    tremorrs said:

    I am soooooo glad that I am not the only one that thinks classic asp is 100 times easier and better than asp.net! Building a website with .net is like building a house with legos! if you don’t have the right piece, oh well you can’t do that! With classic asp you can build the piece you need and not have to worry about it!



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    billiards said:

    I built one of my own sites in classic asp with VBSCRIPT. I like that you can make changes easily, and you can open any piece of the code to edit with a simple notepad. I think I’d rather learn php before learning .NET though….but i guess a lot of corporations use .NET. I’d love to look at some of your classic asp frameworks if you don’t mind sharing them….i can be contacted at kkffjj@gmail.com



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    December 29, 2008

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    Peter said:

    CLASSIC ASP IS NOT DEAD AND IT WON’T BE FOR LONG. I’M SURE!

    Sun MicroSystems has taken ASP and made version 4.
    So there’s a new version of ASP: Classic ASP 4.0



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    March 18, 2009

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    Asp Classic Developer said:

    If classic ASP is dead, then why is it that my site still gets hits and requests every week from people all over the place looking for the right person with the right skillset to do work on their classic ASP site?



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    April 3, 2009

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    Astralis said:

    IIS 7.0 now has URL Rewrite for Classic ASP!!! Definitely not dead.



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    April 5, 2009

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    Alex said:

    Asp отстой .. ) php рулит



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    April 12, 2009

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    f-bomb said:

    ASP is still used by a lot of people and businesses but that doesn’t mean it should be. Is it dead? Not quite. Should it die? Yes. We use it where I work and I’ve been fighting for us get with the times and drop if for PHP. I can’t think of any reason why anyone would want to learn ASP unless they had to. Fact is, it’s a dying language. Let it rest in peace.



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    April 21, 2009

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    The Future Man said:

    By the end of the next decade, there will only be one web coding syntax and using that as an acronym(.wcs). It will replace the over subscribed and diverse sets of web languages currently available. It will be developed by a few specialist developers/organisations who will provide ‘jigsaw components’ that can be purchesed on-line and plugged into the clients hired base site.

    Web development – as we know it, will be extinct and future web developers will be now be known as ‘web assemblers’. They will construct jigsaw components that will eventually make up a webbuild (formerley known as a website).



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    May 14, 2009

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    Update Twitter Status with Classic ASP (VBScript) | ASP Blog said:

    [...] have several websites built with Classic ASP (am I insane? hell no, I love Classic ASP), and I have using twitter for months, as I seen twitter is getting popular each day, then I want [...]



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    May 17, 2009

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    kalyan said:

    sir, i want an idea flash tutorials of best work web sites to understand step by step information



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    June 29, 2009

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    Ayac said:

    Classic ASP can be dead for those who do not use it, but is not for me. I still can develop great applications with it, even my entire website is written in ASP. Most importantly I know what my code does, but .NET had given me a hard time on that… Since less people use it than PHP in some ways I feel more secure, it is less likely that someone will crack my applications.



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    July 26, 2009

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    Terry said:

    @Jay1980

    LOL, i guess the Lloyds TSB website was written by someone in their bedroom! ( it still uses ASP Classic! )

    D’oh

    Tez



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    August 6, 2009

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    TheITGuyfromNY said:

    I used BasicA/QWBasic before Windows, and then used VBScript regularly inside MS Access to do database projects (before the www). Then, when the www started becoming popular (and ever since), I’ve created ASP web applications. They connect VERY easily to databases (like SQL Server) using ADO and, since I have a HUGE library of re-useable code to add, edit, delete and view information from databases, I can’t imagine throwing all that work away.

    Further, I did give ASP.NET a chance… It’s very “overweight” relating to the development interface and process of implementing, the extra HTML tags that it uses are proprietary to IE (other browsers just ignore them) and that, of course, increases the files sizes unnecessesarily, and they keep changing it. “Classic” ASP has been the same and really requires no changes.

    ASP.NET is just Microsoft’s way of making new profits (like Vista)…btw, I still use XP and think it’s fine).

    Maybe someday there will be a reason to switch, but I can’t see any reason even into the future to switch. IIS supports it, it connects to any of the latest database environments and the HTML content is all the same to the browsers…and as for my customers (that I’m building apps and public sites for), they could care less what I use as long as it’s secure, scalable, can be supported, etc…all of which is certainly not impacted by my using ASP.

    I would steer a company away from hiring a .NET developer long before I would steer them away from a PHP programmer or an ASPer…or even a CFM person.



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    August 25, 2009

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    Ronald Avendaño said:

    It´s Alive n is very strong.

    Ronald Avendaño
    ronald.avendano@gmail.com



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    September 1, 2009

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    anil said:

    classic asp still rocking and will rock in future also, i like this scripting 2 much.



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    September 5, 2009

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    norman said:

    ngga ngerti



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    September 9, 2009

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    sandra742 said:

    Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post… nice! I love your blog. :) Cheers! Sandra. R.



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    September 10, 2009

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    AndrewL said:

    I love classic ASP – have been using it for 9 years, and see no compelling reason to switch to PHP or .NET. There are still great server-side components that support classic ASP (GraphicsMill comes to mind, which you can still buy from Aurigma – it’s a great image manipulation component).

    Speed? I cache most of stuff to static HTML as any good developer should (e.g. category listings in a blog, why fetch from the database for every page load). HTML is HTML is HTML. I find classic ASP fast enough for busy sites, but you need to figure developer skills too. Any developer can write hopeless code in any language causing CPU overload – it’s not the language, it’s the developer in that case.

    Security? That’s up to the developer isn’t it? No matter what language you use, you can be insecure or secure depending on your practises.

    Support? IIS7.0 supports classic ASP, there are literally billions of pages across the internet written in classic ASP, so IIS stopping support for ASP would cause absolute mayhem (and why would MS do that?).

    It’s kind of irked me at how classic ASP has been laughed at over the years, just because the syntax is legible (lol).



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    September 15, 2009

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    Ewan Stevenson said:

    Yes I have never bothered to learn ASP.NET – I use lots of ASP publishing XML for rich media sites and applets built in flash. I rarely see a site written in ASP.NET (and Actionscript 3 for that matter) and think I couldnt have done it in classic asp and actionscript 2.

    Long live ASP 3.0 (and Actionscript 2.0)

    Anyone else got an opinion on Actionscript migration from 2 to 3? (excpet Java developers!)



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    October 11, 2009

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    Fabio Zendhi Nagao said:

    I wish to share my thoughts about Classic ASP with the good community that reads this blog XD

    ASP still rocks and here are some good thoughts about Classic ASP: zend.lojcomm.com.br/entries/asp-a-misinterpreted-technology/



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    November 7, 2009

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    Lil said:

    It is good to see that so many other web coders are as enthusiastic about Classic ASP as I am.



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    December 3, 2009

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    Jörg said:

    I agree to your post that classic ASP is still attractive for some (especially smaller) projects.

    I still use it for a few projects.



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    December 16, 2009

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    Sinisa said:

    .net is nice for ashx handlers.. thats the only thing that is missing in classic asp, solid server side processing of files and images… for everything else is Response.Write(“O’yes”) :) ..
    classic asp, jquery, some ashx handlers and one sqlite database.. you should try that.. rocks very very well.



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    December 21, 2009

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    Andrew said:

    Classic ASP is the beautiful scripting language! I love all the support for it in here…!



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    January 21, 2010

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    Blog Tactic said:

    2010 and I’m still using ASP classic



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    January 28, 2010

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    Elmio said:

    On Google this day:
    allinurl: “asp” 9.210.000.000
    allinurl: “aspx” 8.090.000.000
    allinurl: “php” 25.270.000.000

    If Microsoft stops support for VBScript and other lightweight scripting-languages in asp they will loose 9.000000000 users to php.

    Classic ASP for ever!



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    March 6, 2010

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    Lil said:

    2010 and I still happily coding with Classic ASP. Writing apps for Twitter and having fun with that.

    Occasionally I have need of coding in PHP and find that my Classic ASP experience makes that fairly easy.



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    Carlos – an ASP fan said:

    I believe that if Microsoft put classic ASP as an open source (what about to create a group in support of classic ASP as an open source?), there would be .NET that was in risk of die. Without the strong Microsoft corporation promotion of .NET, most developers would not have migrated from ASP to .NET, because there is no reason to do that.
    The advantages of migrating from ASP to .NET are supplanted by the disadvantages. Why put the hard work to learn (well) the complicated .NET platform if ASP can do the same job in an easy and fastest way? Give some attention to the KISS principle :) – “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication” – Leonardo Da Vinci.
    If .NET would be the future then I could give some reason to those that defend .NET, but .NET is not the future. The future is HTML, XHTML, CSS, Javascript, XML (the w3c standards) and AJAX, and I do not need .NET to implement these standards.
    The web 2.0 (and the next generations) appearance and functionalities is based on these standards and in AJAX.
    Another reason to not use .NET is the quality of design: compare Microsoft apps with Adobe apps, or Windows with Mac OS. Of course you don’t need Visual Studio to work with .NET and can do the job with Dreamweaver or other editor, but some of the advantages of .NET will be lost that way.
    Not convinced yet? Another fact: ASP.NET is around for 8 years and ASP still have more pages in the Internet than ASP.NET (2010-04-02: search Google for allinurl:”asp” and allinurl:”aspx” and allinurl:”php” and see the total results for each one). If someone wants to change then the best choice would be PHP, because it’s open source, it’s the most popular language and doesn’t depend on a framework (although many are available).
    This is all about money! Microsoft wants to sell more and have more profits, so as the more complicated and opaque the systems or the languages are, the less kids will be there competing with Microsoft and deviate some revenues.
    I’m not anti-Microsoft or anti-Bill Gates, because I believe they had an important role in the development of the digital era, but I end my comment with a citation from Bill Gates that I found on the web: “The solution is patenting as much as we can. A future start up with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high. Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors (Bill Gates, 2002-08-15)”.



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    Daniela said:

    Hello Everyone,

    Here is clear proof that classic ASP is alive and flourishing.

    http://www.dmxready.com

    They offer web designers customizable application templates built entirely in classic ASP (vbscript)

    I run dmxready apps on the Rackspace cloud sites platform, godaddy, 1and1 etc….works like a charm!!!



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    Austin said:

    I am not a big .Net fan and classic ASP has not failed me yet. I look forward to testing out the ASP framework.



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    OO Programming in Classic ASP « Azenclever's Blog said:

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    jehangir Sarkar said:

    sir may i get simple script book



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    Zod said:

    ASP classic was my first language, when i was a student. It helped me a lot doing my first CMS… yes i made one, and i used it for some clients of mine.

    But today this is not an option anymore. What i need is much more professional and PHP Open Source CMS are the best way.
    These products are stable, bigger, and they fix a lot of bugs following high standards of quality, performance, and they merge many modern open source php and ajax tools giving you a powerful system. And today i need some libraries to edit images, cropping, resizing… tools that in past were not important, but they are now.

    PHP is alive, together with Mysql and it gives a lot of power. Asp is old and discontinued by Microsoft… so i cannot follow some nostalgic good guys.

    So i think that asp classic is a good tool to learn some easy logic at school, it allows you to make some bad code too, for example it doesn’t use the “;” at the end of the strings :) like PHP would.

    But seriously i would advice everyone to jump to PHP as soon as they can. It is more powerful, and it can teach you how to make better code.



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    Julz said:

    Amazingly – classic ASP still shines in some areas compared to things like PHP.
    I recently (2010) wrote a pure ASP multipart/form-data file upload handler which fires off events as each part arrives – allowing me to stream the uploading content to disk or wherever (fork to cloud storage?). Great for hooking into an AJAX upload progress meter too. I had hoped to do the same thing in PHP – but it tries to do too much for you and doesn’t allow low-level access to the raw input as it streams in.

    ASP is a fast and flexible development system. I think MS lost a lot of devs to PHP instead of to .NET because they abandoned ASP prematurely. They tried for a revolution instead of evolution.



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    Frank Calabretta said:

    There is absolutely no limitation to what you can do with classic ASP. Integrate with HTML5, CSS3, Ajax, Jquery, XML etc.

    It is a stable and powerful scripting platform, that is easier to use than most scripting languages (including PHP). For 99% of web owners, ASP will get the job done faster and easier.

    If you are still not sure about Classic ASP, checkout the ebook: Classic ASP Myths Debunked: The Renaissance of Classic ASP.

    It addresses five myths about Classic ASP, where the myths likely came from, and what the actual truth is. You can also read the press release that explains the continued popularity of Classic ASP:

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/dmxready/asp/prweb3955004.htm

    Hope this helps,



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    computer programming tutorials said:

    I agree classic ASP is going to be here for years, hopefully.



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    Yash Tamrakar said:

    We can do All Things in asp 3.0 ajax lib like jquery , yui etc provide good set of function to extend it

    .net is making new/old developer lazy & dumb because they dont know even basic of html , they just drag drop control make a heavy sql object to retrieve data just like vb6 make developer lazy.
    they dont know how to optimize code.
    lots of unnecessary html is generated too,
    JS Code is not compatible to browsers as MS said from beginning try websitepanel or dot net panel use file manager etc complex codes do not work or throw errors.



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    Josh said:

    I’ve been working with ASP 3.0 for about 5 years now, and I wish that it hadn’t been abandoned. Too many bugs, useless error messages, and absent features to my liking, but too much legacy code to justify switching to PHP, and webforms don’t interop well with asp classic (not to mention the poor control over the output).

    I’ve done what I could to this language short of a massive library of COM objects to make it easier to use and more scalable (wrote a templating engine, URL rewriting galore, numerous functions/subs/classes), but in the end, I’m hammering a square block into a circular hole.

    That said, I’ve started working with ASP.NET MVC 2, and I would strongly recommend it to anyone looking to upgrade from asp 3.0, without sacrificing any control over their output.



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    webmaster said:

    Glad to hear that some of you still using it though its undeniable that slowly but sure it will be forgotten.

    the demand of features in web application is rapidly changed while asp classic is no longer updated. slowly but sure.



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